tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8884584404576003487.post4081008692346185134..comments2024-02-29T09:43:12.251-05:00Comments on ORACLENERD: Random Things: Volume #9oraclenerdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12412013306950057961noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8884584404576003487.post-39943901206744958652009-09-25T19:05:41.170-04:002009-09-25T19:05:41.170-04:00Through the years, I've been in many medium or...Through the years, I've been in many medium or large business programming shops that have a maybe 30% proportion of women. Real hard-core places I've been in, not so much. Of course, my experience may be skewed, but I think the makeup has been more of a reflection of who was escaping which war or economic calamity than any inherent attribute. So, there are simply more places where someone can [come to the US|get laid off from some other type of job], go to a tech school and get a dev job. The hard-core places tended to reflect those who chose the programming life, not necessarily with a degree - at least in the '80s, maybe now it might be more a reflection of school demographics. <br /><br />Then again, I don't count flashy pink pony sparkles Frontpage users as developers, regardless of self-styled monikers.<br /><br />I did work at one all-male place that was strongly biased against women, and they asked me about one lady I had worked with previously. I had to be compulsively honest and say I thought she would be an excellent programmer for what they were doing, and trouble. She wound up doing better than that, anyways. <br /><br />Sometimes it ain't who you know, but what you know about who you know.Joel Garryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325061229393838224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8884584404576003487.post-34552014828662878882009-09-25T03:59:07.036-04:002009-09-25T03:59:07.036-04:00[Ch/Gwen]: Are female developers really that rare?...<i>[Ch/Gwen]: Are female developers really that rare?</i><br /><br />I don't think it's an area that is overly endowed with women; I certainly didn't start off my working career as a developer (and if you had asked me 10 years ago if I wanted to be a developer, I'd have said "No way!"...). <br /><br />I know lots of women in IT, but they tend to be on the analyst or the project manager side of things. As I sit here, in amongst the rest of my team of 20 or so developers, there's me and one other woman, and I'm not entirely sure her job is strictly "developer".<br /><br />It's never bothered me, though, and I dislike being invited to all the "Women in IT" sessions they put on in my current company... I don't think one way or the other that the job itself puts women off, so I don't see the need to try and encourage more women into the area, any more than I would try to discourage men from entering the area!Boneisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879435303399136559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8884584404576003487.post-88313863248250094682009-09-24T20:45:01.639-04:002009-09-24T20:45:01.639-04:00No, they (hiring managers) don't know of cours...No, they (hiring managers) don't know of course.<br /><br />Many (most) of my friends are women, I tend to get along better with them. Why? I'm not sure, I just do.<br /><br />Ultimately I want to work with the best and the brightest be they male or female.oraclenerdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12412013306950057961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8884584404576003487.post-91448714075301482892009-09-24T20:41:21.401-04:002009-09-24T20:41:21.401-04:00Are female developers really that rare? I know ton...Are female developers really that rare? I know tons of them... Also, I'm not sure all the hiring managers know that a female developer is guaranteed an offer the moment she sends the resume - from my experience me and my sisters are getting rejections just as often as my male friends...<br /><br />Well, maybe I didn't get the joke. Feminists are known for having no sense of humor :)Chen Shapirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535067086703072776noreply@blogger.com